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Good Read. Last season had to be "THE" Hardest on Wolverine Fans EVER.....All that "Talent, all those Senoirs, all those EXPECTATIONS" & then "Shit the Bed"! LOL  Got your MESSAGE vs the SEC! This yr. 7-5 maybe 8-4. Give Rodriguez a couple of yrs & he'll have the Maze & Blue in a BCS Game!

Michigan will win and win big with Rodriguez. I have no doubt about that. He just needs to get a QB because his offense at WV didn't start taking off until he got Pat White. It was pretty average when Chuck Bednarik's son was under center. I really thought Pryor was going to go there. That would have been a perfect fit in my opinion. But there is no doubt that the guy can both recruit and coach. Once he gets a quarterback, that team is going to be really tough.

And there really is no debate when it comes to the Big 10 versus the SEC if you are talking about overall strength of the conference. If you are looking at the conferences from top to bottom every year, the SEC is far superior. Granted, I believe teams like Michigan and Ohio State can compete with the SEC but when you look at the middle and bottom ends of those conferences, it's a blowout for the SEC. In my opinion, teams like Arkansas and Kentucky are much better than Indiana and Northwestern.

Yes, Wisky and Penn St are on that list as well JD. What I was saying is I think the better teams in the Big 10 can beat a Florida or Georgia on any given Saturday. I'm still stunned at OSU's showing the last two years. I can't believe how bad those SEC teams made them look. I just think the lower end of the SEC usually has much more competitive teams. However, I am a big believer in Michigan with Rodriguez. I'm still shocked Pryor didn't go there. That would have been huge. But I'm sure Rodriguez will get his spread QB next year and when he does, watch out. The Big 10 defenses have no idea what is coming. For my money, the WV offense the last couple of years has been the hardest to defend in all of CFB. Just ask Georgia and Oklahoma. Get the Wolverines now because in 2-3 years, they won't be any fun at all to play.

I agree 100 percent. No one wants to see the Buckeyes play in another National Title game but win at USC and I think they could take the whole thing. I can't wait for that USC game to see how much value is in that line after the Buckeyes were thrashed by Florida and LSU. You are right though JD. A guy who works in this area went to OSU and is a huge homer and even he thought 9-3 last season.

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Art, the argument is who is better now, not 10 years ago. That's a different argument. You can take a game here or there to make your argument but the SEC is the best conference in America right now. The Big 10 may be better five years from now but the SEC is better in 2008. Iowa, Purdue, Northwestern Indiana, Minnesota, those teams are garbage and would battle for the SEC cellar with Arkansas and Vandy this season.

Tommy, you stated "If you are looking at the conferences from top to bottom "EVERY YEAR," (caps added) "the SEC is far superior."  

My point was that it's cyclical and that over the past couple of years, yes, the SEC has been better but it hasn't ALWAYS been that way.  You weren't talking about NOW, your statement implied the SEC is ALWAYS better, which just isn't the case.

Yes, the SEC is almost always better. I'm sorry but you Big 10 homers are comical. Of course it isn't that way every single year but for the most part the SEC is the best conference year in and year out, and that IS the case. Art, you said five years from now the Big 10 will be better. Based on what? You being a Michigan fan? You have no idea how these conferences will look in five years. That's like me saying the Dolphins are going to the Super Bowl in five years based on nothing. Here is the bottom line: Ohio State has been by far the best team in the Big 10 in recent years. They played in the title game twice and looked like a second rate high school team both times against SEC opponents. Hey, maybe in 2018 that will change but as far as right now goes, this isn't even an argument. Now, I could care less which conference is better than the other. But you watch an Iowa/Northwestern game and tell me with a straight face that's good football.

Gotta Love these "College Football" Debates!

JD, like I've said in the past, I'm not saying that Big 10 teams can't beat teams from the SEC. They certainly can and have. But when I judge a conference, I look at all the teams. Here is my point. A middle of the road SEC team is Alabama. A middle of the road Big 12 team is Oklahoma State. Those two squads will probably finish around sixth in their respective conferences. In the Big 10, who is going to finish in that spot? Purdue? Iowa? That's my main argument. I think Ohio State is very good and I'm on record as saying Michigan is going to be an annual National Title contender under Rodriguez. But the middle of the Big 10 is weak right now and I think that's the area that makes a conference tough. Ohio State is going to kill Purdue and Iowa. I can't say the same thing for Oklahoma when they play teams like Oklahoma State and Colorado. Or when Georgia takes on Alabama or Tennessee. That's where the Big 10 falls behind conferences like the SEC and the Big 12 in my opinion.

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Good point about top-to-bottom analysis, Tommy....this is what clearly separates the SEC from every other Conference - and the ones right below them, like the Big VII, Big 11, PAC-10, and those in the mix like ACC and Big East

Even at the lowest tier, level - Such as:

*  Vandy, UK, Ole Miss, Miss St

ARGUABLY, could probably make consistent hash out of:

1.  Minnesota, NW, IU

2.  Iowa St, Baylor, Until last yr, KU

3.  Wash St, Stanford, even Washington recently

4.  Duke, UNC, usually UVa

5.  Syracuse lately - ECU every few years

Top to bottom, there just aren't any weeks off in SEC - every stadium is a Mad-House, every program is in Big School, well-funded and usually in Top Half Power rating (Ok, maybe Vandy isn't....but that'd be IT).

Wisconsin has FEASTED on the Big 11 Bottom Dwellers - and aside from OHIO ST and MICH - which they almost have just ONE tough road game - they have a fairly cake schedule - and a few times haven't had to travel to either C-Bus or Big House....

Wisky has been playing an almost insulting, soft schedule, too - year in and year out...parlaying it into a 2nd 3rd or 4th Place Big 11 finish - and a New Year's Day Cpa 1 or equivalent Bowl every year, based on padded schedule, winning all or 7 of 8 home games, splitting on road - and cashing in big on New Year's Day....I give em credit for finding a lucrative method....and they have REALLY kicked ass IN THOSE Bowl Games, too....many s/u wins as significant dogs.

With Michigan - even the Power Schools have inevitable cyclical bumps....with 85 scholies, ect...they will NOT be down long, esp with Rich R in tow.

STILL CANNOT UNDERSTAND THIS Mich -4 !

REALLY SEEMS LIKE A STEAL!

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