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BOOKS GET TO FINALLY SEE THE FAVS GO DOWN...but did it really soften the blow ???

by vegas-runner on 05/15/2008 11:50 AM

I have been in this industry in one capacity or another my entire life, having been a bookmaker early on, then eventually deciding that this is the side of the counter that I not only enjoy the most, but feel that I have a huge advantage because as a book, I had to deal with someone else setting the price, but now, I get to decide on whether or not that price is right...

If there is one thing that I remember though in my days as a bookmaker, is that I was always finding myself cheering in the Dog and Under because of the fact the betting public would be on the Fav & Over more times than not...well it has been a long time since those days, but I still have many friends on that side of the fence all across the country, and living here in Vegas, I also have access to what is happening on the "Strip"....

Well as we approach the end of Round 2 of the 2008 NBA Playoffs, one thing is for sure....the books are not happy with the oddsmakers price setting at all...in fact, prior to last night's Game 5's, we had seen "16" FAVS and only "2" DOGS cover the number...and even worse for books, the Dog that covered was Cleveland in GM1 at Boston, a game which the bettors were all over taking the points and not until GM4 of the Orl/Det series, when the Dog came through on the road to go up 3-1, did the books actually get a chance to celebrate a dog winning/covering...

So what does this all mean...well for one, I can tell you that surely the books are not happy at all about it and I am not the first to say that its the oddsmaker's fault for this....because they do have the power to change that outcome and it was proven to us last night, just how simple it actually is...the only problem with that is that when they panic and are forced to adjust so drastically...it does very little to help the books because today's bettors are so much more sophisticated that they saw it coming also and the books were not as one sided as they would have hoped....

This also makes it much more difficult on the professional sports bettors also, because even though we need to have the confidence that our own reasoning and prognostication skills are better than those setting the price, we still need the oddsmakers to have control of the market and be able to adjust much quicker than they have been doing...

It happend early on in the NFL season when we watched the Pats and Over come in for a few weeks...but because of the pressure brought on by the books, the oddsmakers did the right thing and made them a 17-24pt fav...and we began seeing much more balance at the windows...and that is what the books are hoping for to salvage this playoff season because I know for fact that the public is cashing tickets almost every single night, and its obvious from our own record, that so are the pro bettors...so then why am I urging the oddsmakers to tighten up and get on the same page as what is transpiring ?

The answer to than is simple....because when the people in charge of setting the price, have no rythem or grip of the situation, they tend to over react and when that happens, all it does is make things so much less predictable and even the books tend not to like it because it gives them no chance of recovering their losses since just like last night, even though the Dogs came in...they were taking more work on those dogs because of the over reaction...for a market to be moving smoothly, both the books and pro bettors that I know all say the same thing...we need a nice mix, as close to 50/50 as possible so that we can profit best....now lets see how Round 3 is going to turn out, and you can be sure that the books and oddsmakers are hard at work trying to get a feel for what is going on before its too late.


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6 Comments:

 

posted by RJ_Bell on 05/15/2008 2:01 PM

Great insight, as usual!

 

posted by Matty O'Shea on 05/15/2008 2:03 PM

Awesome stuff Ace - I was just waiting for the dogs to bite back and am glad I had the Cavs last night :)

 

posted by Tommy Rider on 05/15/2008 2:34 PM

Great read VR. Always interesting to get the insider perspective. Thanks for the insight.

 

posted by vegas-runner on 05/16/2008 8:49 AM

Thanks Guys, and unlike other major cities where gaming isn't such a big part of daily life, living here in Vegas puts those of us who seek it, in the middle of everything that is taking place in the market...and for the past 10days, every time I walk into a sports book, the first thing that I hear is, "Ace when are the f*cking dogs going to show up in these playoffs"...because you have to remember, so far this hasn't been the most prosperous year for the books...

They took a bath in the Super Bowl, March Madness didn't do much to help, and after the NBA Playoffs are over, they then pretty much will need the NFL/NCAAFB to salvage the year because they really don't do much over the next couple of months when there is only baseball since the public don't produce too much volume, and the pro's continue to beat them in baseball like they do each year...

So with that, I know that many of the bookmakers here in the city, and locals elsewhere were really hoping that the NBA would live up to its rep of being one of the more difficult sports for the bettor to beat...but so far, that hasn't been the case and they are getting killed by all these favs coming in easily....Best of Luck, VR

 

posted by Stevebeav on 05/16/2008 11:09 AM

I'm not sure how the Home-court trend is perceived on your end, VR....but I for one am truly puzzled at these home-court lines that continue to come out so close to the single possession line....like Cleveland tonight - after I get into it very early, The Cleveland spread today is just LOW.  Granted these games have been tracking lower - and as much as teams do not admit playing for the following game, Boston surely realizes they have that Game 7 in their back pocket as the ultimate insurance policy - esp. since it is so deep in the series and they can essentially play for Game 7 - save most of their minutes and energy for that Game where they have the ultimate advantage and undefeated record.  

When you look at Minutes PLAYED - the Celts starters have been remarkably LOW in MP....Rondo close to just 30/gm, and RAY ALLEN, of all guys, Ray Allen leads team in min played...  This is a bit misleading with a higher than avg # of blowouts....and although Boston is playing a pretty risky game with counting on Home Wins - this game follows a highly trackable pattern - Boston being older, may play for POSSIBLE win thru end of 2nd quarter shift change, and IF Boston is within reach at 6 min mk of 2nd Qtr, (or ahead), they'll drop the hammer on gas pedal and play to close it out....as they did v Atl, when they STILL lost.

I'm simply amazed at the point differential in Boston HM/RD contests - and it truly manifests itself in their commitment (or lack of) to play perimeter 'D'.  It really was a stark contrast in 1st qtr of Game 3 in Cleveland where LJ looked wide-eyed and almost giddy when he was left all alone so many times on wing 3's....his sweet spot for treys....problem is, James truly gets JUICED when he pops a few deep ones, and gets dialed in big time with those makes...and conversely, is still very young at heart, and begins to press on road when he starts stacking up the 'red x's' on the shot chart.

Back to the point - I'm a bit surprised at your comments regarding NBA Playoffs - esp comments that books are getting killed by Favs - cause yes, it is VERY pronounced this Round....but Rd two the last 4 yrs has been a favorite's goldmine too - and even more so a UNDER cash-cow - accdg to my stats...not NEARLY as big, but a lot of HUGE 30+ point UNDERS and lots of FAV Blowouts like this year.....ESP in late Games 5/6/7.

Maybe I'm just a little surprised that all you pros don't seem to salivate over NBA Playoffs like I do!  

I enjoy this time of year SO MUCH - for many reasons, most since it's my #1 earning season....and MIN 60 MAX 105 GAMES to Handicap...I just can't contain myself!    

 

posted by MarkO on 05/16/2008 6:34 PM

Golden insight VR.

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